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Poster: garthus1 Date: Nov 29, 2012 1:14pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: No info about copyright ?


Good points, but the copyright then only applies to the new material, I can literally scan all the contents of a Dover book and remove any of the annotations by the publisher and have a Public Domain copy. Libraries in particular are guilty of these shenanigans. They scan donated items for their digital collections and think that they can copyright the digital images. This is not the case, digitizing is only reformatting and that does not fall under the copyright when related to a derivative work. I worked in a library consortium for over 10 years and saw many libraries try to pull this crap. In the end the lawyers agreed, they could put their copyright on a digital image, but they were only copyrighting the stuff they wrote and the meta-data created for that image. I can legally take the image (and have done this many times), remove the watermark and security; and like magic, it becomes Public Domain. One just has to carefully read the statutes to understand this. If you check on the Archive, I have begun putting up Sams Photofacts:

I had a 'go-round' with them and their lawyers had to finally admit that just because they were selling copies of their out-of-copyright materials (thousands of pages between 1946 and 1963, which the forgot to renew copyright on), their claim to copyright was really invalid since the had never filed to renew the copyright on any of these materials. Hopefully the Archive will continue scanning the rest of the complete collection I sent them (over 8,000 pages). Same thing with the John Deere stuff that I put up:;sort=-downloads

But John Deere never gave me a hard time, in fact some people contacted me because I had posted items which John Deere did not even have in their collection.

This is why it is critical that we get this stuff up as fast as is possible before our corrupt elected officials decide to change the rules. Just looking at the downloads,it is obvious that there is interest in these materials and they should be available in digital format Also I usually give a more complete statement about the copyright status of an item including the statute which it may fall under so others can more easily verify my research.


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Poster: Parsnip Date: Nov 30, 2012 2:44pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: No info about copyright ?

I couldn't agree more, Gerry. I shall (if spared ;)) be watching with interest from over the pond to see what they will try to pull as the 1923 stuff approaches the eventual expiry of its copyright.